ok :) well let Atom and i work on that polly wise. I know you have p5 so that will help some as prociedual textureing is less mem in tensive than standard texturs. Also with proper useage of hires model forground and flipboard backgrounds we can make the Rainforest work with out much problem :) I have modeled and set up sceens for animation to be combined with green and blue scream set ups :) this is going to be fun big time :) the four of us need to get together for a chat so we are on the same page, my time zone is PST or california time im available for a chat room most evenings after 5:30 PM :) how bout you guys ? I have the capabiluty to create animated foleage sceens to be loaded as animated textures for flipboards to get the clouds plants and so on moving with wind can do rain and snow as well so just throwing this info into the pot :) food for thought here. Atom this includes adding the stuff you come up with to animate it in the same ways. this will put the backgrounds in motion for the final products and leave the manipulation of the forground only to poser should help in the render time needed. Laters Vel :)