OK....i must be truly stupid....i get the concept..read the posts....but every time i add a point to the extrustion path... then i, from the menu, create a cross section..reselect the point on the path, the drawing plane that comes up is the first point plane...if i add a shape it is on the same plane as the first shape.... I cant seem to get a drwing plane from any of the middle points?? what am i doing wrong here????? Thanks Fleanbilly