A plugin would work just as well, for the time being. What we really need to do is push for a merger between the two companies and then combine Poser and Bryce into one program. Now thats a tall order in my opinion. This on the other hand is quite doable. We can not rely on just ourselves though. We need to expand to other forums, spread the word, make it known what we are doing and invite people to help. Perhaps (and this is just a suggestion) perhaps Hawkfyr you ought to put your forum on hold in place of this. Perhaps I am out of line but it seems like this needs to be a priority. Thats just me. Tempest The great instigator ;-)