People might start calling us 'Dumb and Dumber', cause sometime ago there was a R'osity convention contest and I was pretty annoyed with the 8 final choices. Not cause mine wasn't among them, but because all were Poser-ish Fantasy related.....and while that's probably the taste of half the world out there, it certainly isn't the only thing that's going on on this awesome site. In fact, from that moment on (although not on purpose) I haven't posted any work in the galleries anymore and I lost all interest in joining the (non-forum) contest....I still don't actually. Like you said in so many words, I too really strongly believe that both the photography and the graphic/2d forums have got a lot of fantastic artists running around with all blessed with a great deal of talent and some even more than 'just a great deal'. And eventhough this great site is originally 3d related, I find the 3d community on this site to be not even a 'dull shadow' of the supportive, friendly and interesting atmosphere I always find on this this and the 2d related forums. (With this forum probably being the best of all imo!) So why some people obviously give such an unfair advantage to all this 'awesome-but-a-lot-of-the-same' kind of Poser-ish work, no matter how high the standards are, is completely beyond me. And there's more I want to say, about the fact why anyone who's worked with 3ds max or lightwave will laugh at the use of Poser, Bryce, Vue d'Esprit, etc. But I won't. All I'll say it that at least the photo and 2d work on this site are truly 100% original and incredibly inspiring.