Well, I have an asshole and I have opinons...everyone knows the saying...grin. So, I'll play the devil's advocate a bit. I haven't read the requirements...I never have as it is just one of those contests that require more skill than I have along with a few friends to vote for you. Apparently, there is a pecking order here. As said above, the site was largly founded on the 3D idea. Poser, I suppose. So, it's natural people would tend to look at the photo forum/gallery and "snub" their noses a bit. I kinda expect it. After all, as a guy who dabbles in Poser, I see LOTS of discussions on "just what is art". And, Poser has some sort of reputation of being a "soft porn" generation app. That's a shame, too. As to Vue, there are some incredible works in it. Linda White's stuff comes immediately to mind and the last time I looked, the image at the top of the Vue Hot 20 looked like a photograph. But, I guess LW and C3D users will look down on them. I think it might just be the way of the artist world. Fractals? I dunno. Some are beautiful. Some, I would like to see on my walls in my home. In a world where a piece of excrement can win an art prize in the UK, I guess we should assume ANYTHING that captures people's interest should be considered art. Why is R'City doing this for the next cover? I don't know. I know they have a business to run and they may have a reason we aren't aware of for why they put the stipulations in place that they did. It's their business and their livlihood. Either it will be a success or it will not. If not, I suspect they will learn. Regardless, it doesn't take away from the talent I see here in this forum/gallery. Talent I wished I had. Talent that is being put to use and money being made from. So, I'd be upset, I guess, if I was a really good photographer and had something I thought worthwhile to offer the mag...but I console myself knowing why this site is really here. Just my Ilford's worth.