bikermouse: "Setting the cost as high as they do only serves to keep the "lower classes" from having access to "professional level" applications." it looks like some conspiracy! why on earth, might they want to act so? look what happens to cl when selling the software that has not even 1/10 of max' (for instance) complexity for 1/10 of the price: they can't pay salleries for months! plus discreet pays their beta-testers! if i had known that p5 wouldn't have plugins ready this long after initial release i wouldn't have bought it. i'm working now with p4 & ppp and one of the reasons is that i can export to max.