"anyone who's worked with 3ds max or lightwave will laugh at the use of Poser, Bryce, Vue d'Esprit, etc" (slightly misquoting rork, i know, but its short, ok? :) ) - maybe true to a certain extent. i myself use lightwave, but i think that most pro 3d apps users recognise 3d art from any app, but have isues with the concept of poser, in that so little effort has to be put in to achieve the final image. if any of you have done tradional art, it comes across a bit like a ready made. (that wont mean much to some of you, so ignore it). i do have a problem with the way that the entire front page seems to be devoted to poser. while i recognise that there are a lot of poser users on this site, i have never seen a front page that reflecs the diversity of the content. i myself for several years avioded this site under the impression that it was almost entirely poser focused. contests like this only serve to strengthen the missimpressions, and i really think that more impartial people should be chosen in future.