"I was all together wrong in my thinking" I never said that, you may be right. After all, I am often wrong, just ask my wife. I was merely stating an alternate opinion. As for your last point, that is exactly what I was trying to say ~ to repeat myself: "Let's not forget that our imaginations and talent can overcome any perceived obstacle of genre, program application bias ~ or whatever "lame" excuses we can find not to have a go...so have a go and show this site what photographers can do!!" Lastly, I sincerely apologise to you personally Fred if you have taken my opinion as a personal attack on your beliefs about this isssue, I never meant that, I am just trying to see the issue from a different side. I respect your opinion more than anyone else I know here at this site and I truly mean that. I believe there is an imbalance at Renderosity, and nothing would make me happier if Photography was recognised and given more of a chance here than it seems to have. I will personally do my best to help correct that imbalance too. Peace. :-)>