Weird .. the manual says if you do a complete install the texture templates will be in the Poser subdir, just found them on the content cd, no wonder I was going crazy trying to find them, it never installed them! I think Metacreations owns stock in Valium! GRRRRR =( I will delete this thread by the end of the day and go back to pounding the keys on this thing, I will learn this! heh =)