well, i have a few "nekkid" vickis in my gallery. i also have a bird, and renders of the stuff that i model. i think this place has really changed over the course of the last year. 2 years ago, there were even naked vicki pics that inspired me, because they were well crafted. i think the galleries have moved on. this site has become dedicated to the hard-core hobbyists with plenty of credit cards, and, many friends that they can "turn on" to this "art" site. well, in particular, i speak of the poser part of this community. what i see in the poser gallery, this past year, is not creating....it is a display of "toys". and, r'osity eats it up...gold in the coffers 'n all. so, we get alot of "blech". a few years back, i worked from home, and had the time to belong to a number of graphic "lists". i did the themes for about 4 of them on aol back in the days. i cannot get it out of my head, that this place has become a giant internet "list" for housewives who got poser. i see the same stuff....out of box...poser equivalent to using psp "tubes" to make art, by the same people, getting oohs and ahhs and "jaw-droppin' fantastic image...YOU ARE A TRUE ARTIST" comments..by the same little group. and, and, and...they dedicate them to one another...just like the "tags" in the old days of the lists. and, the ptb, consider it "Fair Play" to get 40 of your offsite, online buddies, to sign up here, and consistently vote you into the hot 20. so, i make my little models. if i get 2 or 3 comments i'm so happy i wet my pants. this is, after all, renderosity...where it's "all about the ART" doncha know? raph.com is an interesting site for just looking...and, enjoying the galleries...and, poserpros has nice gallery, and great conversation. i am so sad at the way this place has changed. pop...pop...Poppi!!!