its simple to just open the file in the free amapi 4 (link above) and export the model in dxf or 3ds format. dxf might be best as it'd keep the file size down (no texture and uv info there) the corinthian model is a bit on the heavy side, has to be to have that much detail in it...in obj format its around 60000 polys exported (only version 6.1 can export in obj format) Im sorry if some think its too much to convert these free models so they can use them. I must totally be insane to expect anyone to do anything on their part to get them...shame on me. Just goes to show, no good deed goes unpunished... makes one wonder if giving things away is really appreciated or if its just a way to get things for free. My deceased father used to say that people not only wanted something for free, they wanted you to deliver it to them... for those that are enjoying the models..'you're very welcome' I want to see some more nude vicky temple images now! ya just cant get enuff of them! lol BT