So Allerleirauh, you would say that Painter isn't a program you can just use out of the can? lol You're right about the menus, and I do need to read the manual, but I need to let it air out, it smells really strong of ink. I got it because I knew it's a great program and I wanted to buy it before metacreations sold it to whoever, (Corel). As a matter of fact, that was the catalyst that made me upgrade my Poser, photoshop, and buy Carrara, Canoma and Painter. Now that I have time I want to learn them all at once..lol. I do have another question though, probably stupid but I pulled in the shorts to photoshop and messed with them, now they won't render on my character. The ones I did in Painter do, any suggestions on saving these, or what I may have done wrong? I did save it as a .tif out of Photoshop.