I love the LW modeler!!!:) I am just learning with the organic modeling...I began with the e.t. model for few months ago and now the human female is only my second real project...LW is really hard to learn but once you know how to use the tools, you have so many options... I usually make the setup in poser though... I just love to render in lightwave! I have done Max as well...but somehow I prefer the LW renderer (for my taste and needs) I am not that good for now...but with the time I intend to learn all the tools and tips and tricks... But damn it's a lots of time!:)