Might we give it a conditional try once again Roy? Granted, nobody has seen or been through all that you have, but with the exception of the few interminable rascals, the community generally seems more mature and pretty cooperative these days. - Just 'splain da rules. - I am constantly astounded at the effects of peer pressure in this community of "strangers". We can always shun any offenders. ('bout time we had another good Community Shunning!) ;-) Serously though, woulda saved Ikyoto's site from being killed and allow a few of the oldtimers to move back in without having to find & build new sites. My download links go to a simple html page with only a single thumb of the download item on it. From there they can link back -- or go to my homepage. Would limiting it to something like that be unacceptable? Thanks for the explanation either way guys. from the outside peering in, -Nance