this one is also manually done, the difference being that I ran a stronger degree of emboss and then ran an unsharp mask on the whole thing. A note -- if you want PPP and P5 users to be able to use these, instruct them to open them in an imaghe program and re-save them as 24-bit Windows BMPs, then rename the .BMP extention to .BUM and they should be able to use them fine.