Anyone who's been following this thread and hasn't seen my related threads in Poser Technical should probably look at This and this. Thanks EnglishBob for directing me to this thread. BTW, EB, It's funny in Aussie, too, and lots of Americans know the term -- at least when you complain about how big the bloody BUM is or how if you load a JPEG compressed BUM as a BUM in PPP and P5 it gives you a double BUM, which is always bad. B^) OT: I recall something I saw a tape of from BBC news ages ago -- during the news there was a cooking bit, and someone named 'Fannie' was sharing her biscuit (cookie) recipe. When it switched back to the anchorman, he looked dead at the camera and without a thought, said 'That's wonderful, and let's hope that all your biscuits turn out just like Fannie's'.' You could see the screen go blue as the camera adjusted for the sudden increase in redness in the anchorman's face when he realised what he'd just said. And VERY few Murkins will get that! (Nor will they find any irony in their cheerleaders 'rooting for their team'.)