Thanks for the male face. I think he looks a bit feminine, especially in the lips, but that's probably the texture map. When you come out with Mike 3 (patience, what's that?) I hope that the mesh will be able to use V3 maps (with a few exceptions, of course.) I buy a lot of Stephanie maps just so Mike has more textures. (I make sure the Steph map packages have a "no make-up" option because blue eyeshadow just doesn't do him justice ....) Well, time to go back to haunting the Daz site. Is it there yet? Is it there yet? Is it there yet?