And while my example isn't really the greatest thing since sliced bread either. I just wanted to show how much better hapteks 3D characters are. They even have full bodies fully articulated characters. Tis true it is a bit longer(very small bit) of a download but at least there is no lag time in the middle of a dialogue. at index htm select frames or no frames. Naturallly no frames is the quickest. I have a Mainpage and a links page thatutilizez hapteks characters. I am not the best a programing java so my character does lack some character but man you can make the character sound happy, exited, sad, mad, smart, stupid. Talk fast, talk slow for dramtic effects etc. They evn have morphing facial expression which are controlable. Pete http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~pjanak/index.htm