The 2 sets of Offset channels are for the End point and Point of Origin, but you need to keep them in the cr2 for some reason. If you move the jps, the new values are entered in the End and P of O lines, plus the appropriate Offset channels. When I made the 'MATs' to restore my default JPs, I found that I only needed the End and P of O in the MAT, but, of course, the cr2 needs the channels. 'I've been using 4 because DAZ does' It's not DAZ, it's Poser. Any number that's NOT 1 is 4. If you enter any other number, limits is forced, and Poser will substitute 4 for that number when you resave the figure. Why? Well.... that's a REALLY good question... mac