Oops. I meant to say JASC Animation Shop. Couldn't remember the name cause I have both. But I use JASC these days myself. My animations are usually washed out to keep them small. Just a courtesy thing so the thread doesn't slow down. Cable and DSL users probably aren't even aware of it. I wonder if other people have the same problems as I do? Get a couple 100k .gifs loaded in the same thread. And I can hardly scroll anymore. Are you a broadband user?