I always find it funny that at the mere mention of the fact taht there is a no-gen version of something, everyone feels obligated to tell the world how enlightened they are... Every male reading this would have killed for a Vicky-with-vagina mesh to manipulate and render with back when they were teenagers (and don't you even frigging THINK of lying about it.) Now, given this very obvious fact, what do you think would happen to the career of any teacher or principal when a parent inevitably discovers their little johnny rendering pure erotica on the family computer, and the kid (naturally) defends his actions by claiming that the school supplied him with the mesh and the proggie? Verily I say unto you, the percentage of parents who would be understanding of little johnny's habit and just deal with it quietly at home can be counted in roughly a single digit. The rest of the parents will go ballistic, and proceed to obliterate the school principal's answering machine with demands for the art teacher's head on a platter. At least with the no-gen version of Vicky, the school can reply that they had nothing to do with johnny's little masturbatory adventures... As a teacher, I couldn't care less what a parent thinks about sex, or how they teach the facts of life to their kids. That's their problem, and waxing superior over parenting methods won't help the poor art instructor's job prospects any... one parent's "open-mindedness" is another parent's "borderline paedophilia"... No judgements from me, but that's just how it is, and parents can be Hell on Earth when it comes to getting their way, epsecially if they're loud enough about it at the school board meetings. In either case, it ain't my problem, since I have no children. My problem is in convincing the schools that Poser is a valuable thing towards introducing children to the wonderful world of CG art, and I can't very well do that if every manjack in the forums are demanding that all versions of Vicky come with a set of fully morphable beefcurtains and a set of pubes that come in forty different shapes and sizes. HTH from a teaching perspective, /P