I agree with you 100 percent. The tools do not make you a good, it is how you use the tools. And I agree that Lightwave is not for everyone as well, Just as I prefer the "engineering interface" of Lightwave, and Autocad. But I agree with you 100%. I think Carrara is an exceptional tool for beginners and intermediates alike and it will be absolutely awesome once all of the bugs are worked out. Let's just hope that Adobes makes to Carrara what it has made Photoshop. Then!, holy crap! I don't think there would be much out there that can contend. But there is always the issue of price. I just hope Adobe supports the few of us who bought Carrara when it was still in the hands of Metacreations.