Poser 4 is hands down better then 3 IMHO, come on, magnets, waves, sketch designer, conforming clothes, point-at, trans & reflect maps, heiarchy editor, grouping tool (I can't put into words the sheer power of that one) new figures.... my list is almost endless. Then if you add the patch (which if you follow the instructions is rather painless) you get morph export, saving multiple figures to 1 .cr2 file, better curve joints, loads of fixes, and export options.... Bring on poser 5! If the jump between 3 & 4 is any indication of what 5 is going to hold for us I can't wait! (Bring on the specularity mapping!) -Trav *ok so I am baised, I love P4 :) *