Worked well. looks like you got your items. For future reference though, there's a scarf for (Poser)Mike in freestuff somewhere can't remember if it's here, 3dcommune or Runtime DNA.(If you still want it and have trouble finding it let me know - I'll hunt down the source.) Glad to see you use a relatively low mesh solution for this . . . it came out very well! Merry XMAS, - TJ