macmullin, I've just been running through the steps, doing exactly what you did, and here's the scoop. First of all, you have to understand that the default-no morph vicki DOES have all the morph channels built into her, but they're all blank, empty channels, and furthermore, they're all hidden from the user until you inject. What the injection files do is to call up a pose file which injects the morph and simultaneously unhides the dial. OK. I haven't injected any morphs yet, even though I have both packs, so I was using a blank vicki. I magneted vicki, spawned a morph and saved her in characters. That gave me a cr2 with the full morph channel, just like you got. Saving her in Pose with morphs gave me an empty morph channel, exactly the same as the zillions of other blank channels already there. (I was looking at the files in cr2Edit) I'm not sure why this happens. I haven't examined vicki that closely yet. I reckon the only things you could do are, either transfer the morphs from the figure using Morph Manager, or follow the steps in the thread I posted (link above) and put the deltas in a blank channel. It's easy enough. I was doing it with a figure I built just to see if it worked, and I used a blank channel from vicki. Now, I don't want to step on anyone's toes here. I have no idea of the legality/illegality of this. It seems to me that a blank channel is a blank channel is a blank channel. I could've made my own. I used a DAZ one because it happened to be in my face, but I don't want to be screamed at by DAZ. So, I'm not inciting poser users to take up a life of crime here. Just pointing out what the various possibilities are. mac