hey Legume where did I mention your mane in there. I didn't mention any names untill you posted his "I admit openly that I promote myself. My big sin is that there are people who enjoy my work outside the boundaries of Renderosity. The Poser newsgroup for, example. I posted there saying that I was in the running for Artist of the Year, and I'd appeciate it if those who like my stuff would consider voting for me." Your the one that came in and admited it. Call it what you want. I don't care. I still think it shouldn't be done.