Okay, I am somewhat confused here. I am fairly new to this forum as you know. I don't know any of these artists personally, which means Sir Legume, or Legume just as well as this ToxicAngel person or any of the other artists. I also maintain that I DO recognize each and every candidate up for AOY as an "ARTIST" and that is including Legume. In fact I happen to think your a wonderful "artist" Legume, your art makes people laugh, think, dance, sing, argue, maybe even fornicate among many other things. In so many ways I think that IS what art should be about. I also think that this ToxicAngel's art rubs people certain ways as well, as do all the other artists. All of them ignite some form of emotion and passion among those that view their art or they would most certainly not be the candidates they are. The question of whether you are an artist Legume never entered my mind, YOU ARE, and a very good one, and this coming from a newcomer that knows very little about you other than what I can establish from reading posts here, history or recently, and the artwork you thrill me with time and time again. However, this same comprehension also makes me very curious and also confuses me. It makes me mixed up when I see the shrills and screams all over this big forum countless times by this Mosca fella ranting and raving about this contest being unfair, but ONLY TO YOU Legume, I do not understand this at all??? I don't understand why this Mosca or anyone else hasn't screamed bloody hellish murder for this ToxicAngel, who actually WAS winning; no, not one scream, not even a whimper from this Mosca or anyone else in regards to this ToxicAngel that I can find anywhere, all I can see is this Mosca scream as loud and as often as he can and then those that follow like lemmings off the Legume cliffside. This is why I used the term Sir Legume and his sidekick Mosca, because Legume, it just LOOKS like that you know. It all reminds me of Mutt and Jeff or Abbot and Costello or the Three Stooges with one Stooge missing, there is something just very obvious when all Mosca does is cry foul just for YOU Legume. Why is it just about YOU?? This is something that bothers me. As for asking for votes or stuffing the turkey, I don't think it is cheating to ask for votes if it is within the scope or realm of the subject matter at hand. If a Presidential Candidate were running for office, he would be very foolish to just wait for folks to vote and hope people just blindly notice his qualities of leadership and whatever other reasons one may wish to vote for him, so widespread canvassing and whatever else it takes would be the norm and expected. However, if this candidate starts attempting to win over all the people in China to come vote for him for a Presidential Election in America, there's just something wrong about that now, what do they know about America. I suppose that is what I am comparing this to, it does actually seem that far stretched from what I see here and what I see people say, what do folks from newsgroups and this subgenius stuff know about Renderosity day after day. Okay, we know the contest was NOT stopped because of anything Legume did at all, we have been told this countless times, and I heard it, but does Mosca understand this? I ask this because Mosca still seems determined to make someone, anyone pay for abusing his buddy Legume, that is what I also see. I also don't see him stop anytime soon. I do not see this same thing happening for this ToxicAngel even though he was in the lead and winning and what if he now loses?? Will this Mosca scream as loud for ToxicAngel, campaign as harshly for ToxicAngel, or anyone else up for candidate?? I must sound like I am talking about politics, that's the other thing that still bothers me. I thought I had joined an art site, not a political site about just a few folks that can scream the loudest and only for some and then scream UNFAIR! I really find it sad, the very things this Mosca and others scream about here, the unfairness, the cheating, the corruption; this seems to be happening right before my own eyes, but not by the folks running the place, but by those that seem to think they have the only say and anyone disagreeing with them can go somewhere else or stay out of all this because they don't matter. I think that is unfair, especially since it seems fair that folks from anywhere can vote, but people like me should keep my opinions to myself because I am not an artist and I am too new. To me it appears that the only things that matter in this whole contest is this Mosca and Legume. I mean you no offense Legume, I still think you got caught up into this and of course you are going to ride along, what I don't really get is Mosca's deal here other than a very tight friendship he may have with you. But is THAT fair to ToxicAngel or the others? Should he not be screaming just as loud for them too?? Not that I am saying there is, but IF there was a victim here at all, why is it only you Legume? Because this Mosca says so? This Mosca seems to be a very important person here, but I haven't figured out what he is or why he is as yet. Maybe I am missing something or maybe this Mosca is just very opiniated. If it is just loud opnion, then I think this Mosca should be the last one to scream unfair because he seems to have more screaming rights, and favorable ones, than anyone else here. Perhaps there should be an award for that? Happy Boxing Day