public company - you again have your terms wrong there Lon Chaney. Renderosity is a privately owned "company", however they claim to be a "private club" making them exempt from laws concerning free speech and all the other little amendments that US citizens are given along with ethical standards regarding contests etc.. This site is USA based so they are ruled by USA laws. Problem is - there are no requirements to join 'rosity - therefore it can be argued they are not a private club at all. A private club limits memberships and decides via an application and voting process who joins. This doesn't happen here, that means that 'rosity is liable under the law to act in a fair noin-discriminating manner. Awhile back they tried to say that being a "private club" prevented them from having to answer in regards to the charity fund that artists donated to. Wrong! Even a private club must answer to those making donations - even if all they donate is $1.00 or less. "I have more ethics and higher standards that you'll ever know. For one I would never have even thought of doing what you did." Well theres a lot of puffing up if I ever heard it - generally people only claim to be better than otherswhen they have nothing else to fall back on. Egotism and pride aren't ethical or moral you know ;-D Ethics require that you do not commit slanderous and libelous acts - you have done both in your accusations. As for Billy J, you come out of nowhere - and behave as if you know the past happenings of the site intmately - so either you are a clone who really does - or simply looking to further controversy. Many here have seen this happen with contests all too often. Theemoticon contest is a good example. Moderator starts contest, moderator enters contest, moderator wins contest at least she turned down the prizes - and there were good prizes involved (although she had some not so nice things to say about certain members after the whole thing happened - but that was private and frankly shouldn't have been made publice - but hey I was mentioned so that was kind of cool, even though it showed they don't like me - glad I'm not sensitive. :-D) You should be able top post your opinion, but don't get holier than thou with those who have seen it and been through it when you weren't. If indeed you weren't here to go through this before than you can not possibly understand teh frustration of the members that it is ahappening yet again. Sure people could leave, but many of us actually do like it here on some level. Some of us havebeen treated very unfairly by the admins, we stay because despite them we mainly like the site on some level. That doesn't mean that we have to grin and bear the unfairness of their activities while saying nothing. Besides if we want news and updates regarding Poser 5 we have to come here to get it, to see the progress (or not) in the beta forum. So a mistake was made in retgards to posting the poll - then another mistake was made in posting it on the frontpage to announce that members should vote, further mistakes were made in various forums reminding members to vote - All one big mistake ok - fine. But once the mistake was made a reputable company would have "sucked it up" continued the voting and dealt with it - insuring it never happened again. Do you think Bush asked his friends to vote for him? Does that mean that the presidential election should be pulled from now on and only congress should have a say? I mean come on even ToxicAngel has said that he didn't think this was right at all. IB I thought at first that you said that 3DA had that "horny" feeling and thought maybe it was time to cut down on my leather wear lol

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