Also, I want to mention, I didn't know anything about VUE prior to my experience with Poser. I never had Vue anything, started with version 4, and don't regret one penny that I spent on it. (: But, I DID, experience a lot of problems with the program, prior to the patches.........and like I said before, I won't update to 4.11........only because I am satisfied with the performance of Vue right now. I am not, or ever told "stories" about Vue4, and if you want to know what really happened when it first came out..............maybe, if it is still available, go to the achives of this forum.............then...............you can decide for yourself. (: Genny