Ok I'll stop being nervious since you are all being so positive. I think it's the eye Colette1 that perhaps makes it look almost alive. I put that in as part fun and part sensor, a seeing probe. The reason I'm unsure is because this is from Rhino and I'm totally new with that program, but I realised some time ago that it's a good thing to be able to make your own models and I'll get there eventually. BTW, has anyone ever seen a model for a complete fishing rod with reel and all. Is that no, but thats what I mean you really got to be able to do it yourself. Well thanks for the input and I'll keep working on it and see what happens. Catlin