I'm getting them in P4PP too... The other thing is the utility won't clean my files.... The program runs, but never cleans any of the dials. The only problem I see with having the extra dials is how much it bloats your pz3 or cr2. 86MB pz3 that has only v3 with about 30% of the morphs injected, her bikini, shoes and LV hair seems awful big to me. If I do any animating with this setup, I'll end up with a 150MB pz3. Ed