Jack, I'm tired of reading your agenda filled hate posts bashing CL. It was interesting for a little while, but not anymore. CL has listened to users of Poser5, changed the EULA, posted numerious fixes, and enabled features that wern't on the box. Are there still issues with Poser5, yes, but its far from a paperwieght. Even the posts in the Beta Forum have lessened. I for one will make sure that my money does not go toward any Jack D. Kammerer associated products. What would make you happy? Kupa has addressed many of your concerns in other posts, answered you directly, yet you continue. What DO you want? Blah, probably falling on deaf ears.