I expected to be flamed for saying what I have in regard to my concerns with Poser 5. Nothing new or unexpected, considering I am going against the grain here displaying my discouragement with Poser 5 in a Community that has been rabidly defending the Poser application since the Poser One List was created. Hell, I've been one of those people. And in my five years of being a vocal member of this Community has fought to defend Poser, the value it brought to artists and the people who created it. However, I am no longer willing to strive on in blind devotion, considering that I make my living around 3D Applications. If wanting satisfaction for a product that I worked for (in which others in this Community have paid for), to have the program work without crashing and be able to do all of the things that both the box and company "says" it can do is considered as having an axe to grind, then I guess I do. Yes, I have a POS computer, bought off of a store shelf. However, Maya 3, Lightwave 7.5, Carrarra 2, Bryce 5 and other applications run just fine on this POS HP of mine. No crashing, no slow drag times... even Poser 4/Pro Pack runs just fine on this machine. I am sick of hearing people say that because I didn't "build" my own work station, I should just expect Poser 5 to have problems. 90% of people here own POS systems and if Poser 5 was meant to run on something other than a POS system, then they should've stated that and stayed a "cult" program. So that "excuse" doesn't fly with me. Yes, I am frustrated and you better believe I am going to be vocal about being frustrated. I LOVE Poser, always have, wouldn't be here if I didn't and it is FRUSTRATING to have Poser 5 sitting here, in it's box and see what others can achieve with Poser 5 (those that manage to get it to work) and not be able to use it myself!! And maybe, just maybe, if people just didn't sit there quietly "waiting" for CL to get around to fixing it and coming out with a MAC version, CL would put a little more effort into getting this application to work the way that it was intended too so we can all go back to making our art! Go ahead and flame me for being vocal about my disappointment, rabidly defend your bug ridden software that doesn't do the most that it can or should, be happy trying to find ways around software bugs. But let me tell you this, I am fighting to make this application work. Not just for my POS computer system, but for CL to get their application to work in order so that Poser can be around for a few more Versions. So flame away. Jack