The problem is, the the Bryce package I got didn't come with a manual. I did get it with an academic discount, that may be why. I've looked around for boooks and I'm going to look into that Real World Bryce and see what happens. I'm ordering a subscription as well as the back issues of Renderosity magazine today, so that should keeo me busy for a while. I've been to Brycetech and Peter Sharpe's website and there are some cool looking things on there. I'm going to try more of them soon. I've been downloading models and materials for the past half-hour or so and been having fun with them. Thanks for the tips, any others from other members?