well still not working on the lash trans but thanks... I think I know what the problem is, going to do some experiments... I think its because the lash is not a flat plane but rather a lash shaped box, I think if I make a new lash prop that is 4 flat planes (not too close together), I will fix this problem AND get the realism I want :) something to do, anyway! Otherwise the figures look amazingly realistic and I really want to crack this nut to use my Poser figures in my Carrara scenes. I like Carrara much better as a shader and renderer!