I've largely stayed out of this thread, for two reasons: 1) I've already gotten my $0.48 in over at PoserPros on the subject, where the flames were largely self-contained and sporadic, and 2) In about a week, I'll no longer be using Poser 5, having traded the P5 license in for a second P4/PPP license. OTOH, there are a few things to keep in mind here. First off, This second product looks like an EGIsys puppy, with Larry, Steve etc merely lending their names to it, or providing some sort of project management role. Also, we don't know the timeline of that second program's development. In contradiction, perhaps CL should be spending mroe of its time and resources not only on fixing what's broke in Poser 5 for windows, but in getting a Mac version of P5 put together. They have my pity in the Mac department, since they got caught between OS9 and OSX dev cycles, can't get any dev help from Apple for OS9, and don't have an OSX customer base big enough to make it worth getting up an OSX version. Kinda sucks either way you look at it. OTOH, this entity called Business is a cold, hard thing, and DAZ Studio isn't going to wait for Curious Labs to catch up - it'll release when it's ready, and then CL will have to persuade folks to buy from them from now on, instead of simply assuming that low price alone will put them ahead among the buying hobbyists. It'll be interesting, to say the least. I actually ahve faith that CL may be able to pull off some sort of miracle, but unless they concentrate their resources, they'll have a hard time of it. 3D web stuff isn't near mature enough to be viable, and the Internet isn;t near powerful enough to utilize it on a large scale. I just hope Steve knows what he's doing... /P