I think I throw my five cents in... I am a MAC user and I rely heavily on Poser for the development of facial expression simulation in my scientific work. The advantage of Poser is the Python scripting interface where I can do everything I want. I tested all major products on the market for Mac and PC - in Poser we have the steepest learning curve, and you get results very fast. I also use Eyematic face station - for this reason we made morph targets on Don and Judy and run them in 3ds - boning them was one days work for a newbie- Why doesnt DAZ bring out bone systems for other programs ? This would open new markets to DAZ and help many people to secure their investments in DAZ products, morph targets and machines they have made. I just bought two PCs for running Poser 5 and I never had any problem with Poser itself, but the machines are a pain in the a.... Poser rendering is still very slow even on a 2.6 gig machine and all new parts like cloth simulation are really poorly documented - I do not see that somebody with a smaller machine even can use it. A simple cloth simulation of 270 frames on a figure took about a week to create and calculate the final movie without raytracing. It seems to be useless for any workflow. Look at the galleries - as many P5 users are out there, do ya see any cloth or wind simulation - even raytracing is very rare. But what I hate most is that many old bugs are still there in P5. If Poser will survive then the whole code has to be rewritten in a more modern fashion, I can not understand that the oldfashioned P4 renderer runs at the same speed on any machine - there must be something wrong deep down inside. There are render engines who can render more than 60.000 polys with textures in real time on a PC - I have seen them. As I was just curious I tried to find out who is egisys - this seems to be a university based company, mainly run be students or so. The company is on the market for many years - but without having a product, so I wonder who is financing the whole thing and where the money comes from. Poser itself is a good idea and a bad product - they just should get rid of this ridicoulos Metacreation s interface and I fear that they now will stick together again with the loosers - like in the case of Avatar lab and Adobes 3d thingie which seems to be dead. Happy New Year !!!!!!!!!!!