I'm slowly learning to like the cloth room (ditto for P5, which I've loathed with a vengence until recently). As a fun holiday project, I put the dynamic summer dress on Judy, put a force generator under her feet, and tried to see if it would let me do an animtion of her doing that Marlyn Monroe thing. And believe it or not, it does, sort of. I'm going to mess with the setting listed above to try to get it all to look a little more realistic. it's an overnight render each time, though, even with raytraceing off. I have problems with her hair, too. It blows up at the first gust, and doesn't come down again! Morph