looks over the thread I definately agree that emailing the vendor is a better idea. I have only once had trouble with contacting a vendor, and it turned out it was my antique browser not liking their form. For vendors here, if all else fails ask ClintH. He's a very cool dude and totally on top of the market stuff :) Option A annoys the moderator ahem and does nothing but tell the world that you like conducting all your personal business in the middle of the street. If you want the Poser community to think badly of you, that's a zip dandy way to do it. My only quibble is a weird one ... if you give someone your product for free, or buy something for someone else, make sure they get on the email list for updates. I've actually had trouble with that one Lyrra "E-mail. It's a privilage, not a right" Madril