I really think we are mixing two different questions here? 1. Is postwork cheating and bad? 2. Should postwork be used in the Vue forum? My own answers too the questions would be: Number one is easy..NO.. it's not cheating as the only thing that matters is the end result. Number two is harder and if I have to chose I would say NO because in this forum I want to se and learn what can be done with Vue alone. Problem is that I also want to see all the greate images in witch Vue maybe only stands for parts of the image. It might be that there is a mixed media gallery but If I only want to se those in witch Vue has been used then what? Why not just clearly state if postwork is used or not and maybe for what it has been used (posting both images would be even greater)? That way I know witch ones that I can use as a reference on what can be done in Vue alone as well as learning the week parts. In other forums I might see it in a different way. As an example. I can say that I do NOT like to se images without postwork in the Poser forum. And the reason for this is simply that in maybe 90% of the images everyone knows exactly whats been done in the postwork as the ugly joints in Poser simply has to be fixed in post work together with so mutch else as the renderer also is really bad. And as an answer to someone wondering if it's not wrong to use models not built in Vue. As the whole idea behind an application as Vue is to import models as well as other stuff such as textures and do renders, there is nothing wrong with importing models,etc ;). If vue could not do this Vue would not exist (at least not in the form we know it). Just my 5 cents