Just a simple experiment in an environment JeffH could maintain control over. and he picked the Poser forum??? Oh, dear. I have no doubt JeffH meant well, and of course he is the moderator of the Poser forum so that is the one he would post on, but I don't think it solved anything. It's been my experience that once the cream has turned sour, there's no way to make it sweet again. But maybe things will get better in 2003. Maybe. Losing hope but hanging on to the idea.