Ironbear said over on PoserPros that he has run some tests with P5 on both his machines, though he didn't say when he did so. I'd like to assume it was with the latest patch, because I still like to assume that Ironbear's opinions are formed out of relevant experience. I agree with you, LadySilverMage, that consumers who have paid good money for things are entitled to spread negative 'word of mouth' about their experience - it's part of how markets work. However, it must be said that there are few individuals running around who have taken this to a 'religious' extreme equivalent to the worst ranting salivations from such 'controversies' as the PC vs Mac debate, or Windows vs Linux, etc. These few are motivated by more than customer dissatisfaction, and unfortunately they seem to carry influence beyond any actual merit.