from what i read, its six of one kind and half a dozen of another. meaning, half the folks who bought poser 5, it has crash, or did something bad to their system.. the other dozen who bouth it swear it works fine. ok, fair enough, even though this debate has been going on for about 3 months. sure there were patches that were made, and for some systems it did work, but other system didn't respond well to it, and continuing to give folk a headache. A lot of People has written to CL, to either complain or to express there concern over this issue. and for some reason CL most of the time doesn't respond. of course they will tell you to renistall, most programs do tell you that if the first one didn't install well, some software will even tell your system that you need to update your drivers. ( most new computers do now). yet for the issues some of the ppl are having, they are relying on other users for help in there poser problems. CL only will give you the same routine tech solutions to the problem. and most of the time it doesn't work. i argee that if you pay alot of money for software you may use to put food on your table. that the company who sells it should live up to there name and reputation. you have a righ to complain or express your views. but if you re read all the post the folks have been having. and seeing what kind of replys you got from Kupa ( CL) or any of the other staff there. then a small birdie ought to tell you that you can't rely on a company ( any company) that isn't honest with you about their product. ( meaning early release that caused all these fine folks problems). i really believe that CL OWES all of you folks who had problems with his software, i mean he should really make it up to you. you know, if he ( Kupa) lived in the biblical days, and sold something to the people that didn't work or got them sick. the fine folks back then would cut a tree down, carve it into a cross, and then go buy the nails to nail him to cross for hurting the people, and thats what CL has done,, hurt some of you guys.:(