I'd like to give nyguy more benefit of the doubt - we've (mostly) loved Poser 4, and perhaps PoserPP. We WANT, desperately, to love Poser 5, Vicky 3, DAXZ T Rex, Renderosity clothing, 3D environment sets and ohhh, the vast panopoly of stuff we can get, free and paid for, just as much. When one of those things (or more) seems to be at the focal point of problems rather than delight, there's a certain human-nature element to a. blame that item or supplier without 100% concrete proof (impossible anyway) and b. vent a bit. We're emotional. nyguy may have got seriously disenchanted with trying the more reasoned approach, resulting in this very very mild outburst. I've done similar in the past myself (we're all human). I hope nyguy's issues are resolved - with community help or CL help - as well as the community has helped me with some of my issues :) Cheers, Cliff Bowman