I wondered about that too, and tried both raytraced and shadowmapped shadows, and various kinds of renders to trick P5 into creating the shadowmap cameras, but nothing I did seemed to do the trick. I ended up saving my figures and animations and re-creating the scene in the default, empty scene. It wasn't that much work, and now I'm a happy guy. Still curious though: some day I hope to find out how to create them on command, in case I run into this scenario again. Thanks for the suggestions and help. I hope I can return the favor some day. Ricky