i didn't like vicki for the longest time...so much of my gallery is v2p4. in fact, i still don't like v2. but, i love this new little one. oh, yes, i do. i made a cleft chin...deeply cleft...and, it didn't look like a crosseyed cartoon woman. wow, i can't wait to see what the new daz poser type application will be. makes me all warm and smiley just thinkin about it ;*)