LOL...Well Poser can be used for many things other than playing with Barbie (Vicky), we use it alot for many of our mechanical models for posing and it really does a fine job in rendering too, depending on what lights and cameras you use. I use Vue and Bryce also so I do understand what you mean, but like I said it can be used for so much more than what others think it can be used for. Certain faces and using children in my scenes are very important and I couldn't accomplish this without Poser. Plus now with Mover by e-onsoftware you can import any animation of poser right into Vue and it keeps your animation correct while you construct the background. Sharen