I go read what folk have to say in the Poser forum but I've not found them as helpful and accomodating as the people in this forum. The above statement comes from a nu-be question I asked in Poser a while back and I nearly got my eyes scratched out, (excuse me for being stupid). That sort of thing puts you off going back. But you sometimes get an interesting read in the Poser forum 'cos they do seem to get quite emotional about lots of things. Catlin