thank you Quixote...as soon as i saw the post i remembered dr geep's measurement props and dl'ed his 9foot scale...so assuming that it's reasonably acccurate...i played for a minute in max with it,i haven't tested this out with any other props or imported or exported anything from poser using these settings but for future reference.... importing the 9 foot scale prop using the habware obj plugin with the vertex scale set to 1...the 9 foot prop comes in at 3'6.52" according to max's own built in measurement utility....so to scale it up to a true 9 feet in max you need to uniform scale it by 254%,this results in the poser universe being 39.37%[actually 39.3700787]of the real thing....as i said all measurements were taken using max's built in measurement utility to give a readout of the prop's size in all three dimensions,with max set to read in feet and inches...the numbers work in max allthough they seem a little "off" from what i expected and i still need to test this with poser itself...but i really have no reason to expect it to be wrong either....thanx again