I thought we Brycers were pretty darned vibrant. :) I think PJF's observation about people being interested in other people is a valid one. Scenes with people (naked or not) definitely cause a different reaction in me than scenes without people. One isn't better than the other, just different. I've used Poser a bunch (though not very much for my own art) and I love the poseability of things in it, but I think I'd hang up my mouse if I had to use it excusively for creating objects or scenes. I don't hang out on the Poser forum, though I have looked for answers there occasionally. I guess I just got comfy here and am too lazy/happy to go anywhere else. I suspect something about a person's personality draws them to a particular type of software as well as to a certain style of conversation. Lin